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"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck) 06/22/2016 at 11:35 • Filed to: got eem

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TheHondaBro > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 11:44

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Someone's been going through the features, I see.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 11:46

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I’m sure the comments on this will be civil. I await the impending shitstorm.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 11:48

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You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 11:48

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Party-vi > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 11:51

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Government intelligence information gets classified - the question is what level of classification and when. In Clinton’s case, the classification was not properly assigned at the time she received said information, and was only correctly classified after being in her possession. Apparently. The private email server was used to skirt the Federal Records Act, just like everyone else did at the State Department. It’s a big deal because it’s an election year. If she weren’t running for office nobody would give a shit.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 11:52

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For Sweden > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 11:53

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Never anger the IT people though

spanfucker retire bitch > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 11:54

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Actually the point of Clinton’s tweet was about the fact that the firearms industry is totally unique in that it specifically has special federal protections about who can sue for what reason. So instead of leaving the decisions up to the courts, the entire industry has the ability to simply dismiss lawsuits against it. It’s a completely unfair advantage.

Could you imagine if the auto industry had those kinds of protections? It’d be a madhouse.

CalzoneGolem > For Sweden 06/22/2016 at 11:55

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We’ll get you and you won’t even know it for weeks.

Slant6 > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 11:58

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This is actually a pretty moderate view of everything.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 06/22/2016 at 12:03

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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 12:06

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I’ve liked the one going around lately that says “If ISIS represents all Muslims than the Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians” The KKK is inter-changable there as well.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 12:06

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None of this is correct. Classification is presumptive on content and can be assigned to a lower level, but is by its content to carry the highest classification of the topic in question unless declared otherwise - though this does not make it *Top* secret secure only or codeword, merely classified. Things are never classified *up*, only *down*, and claims otherwise are a plain lie. In other words, the SoS’ communications are to be secure, end of. Further, she is on record in the emails released directing a violation of air gap, and removal of classified headers. She also went on her first far east trip with her Blackberry communicating unencrypted with her mail server over public LANs. Further, use of a private server *and only a private server* is unique. Others have kept private servers, but directing all official communications through the private server is inexcusable.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 12:07

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I’m pretty sure definiing a category of frivolous suit is not unique.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 06/22/2016 at 12:16

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Mr. One Dollar car over here being so smug.

/s

spanfucker retire bitch > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 12:16

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It’s not as simple as defining categories - and even if it was, that’s generally left up to the court in practically every other industry. It literally makes every lawsuit illegal except for 5 or 6 narrow interpretations that are very hard to try and prove even if the company is guilty of it. There are some protections given to monopolies, but those are under strict regulations as a trade-off. The gun industry for the most part isn’t.

The gun sellers certainly are, but the manufacturers didn’t have any special regs placed on them in exchange for federal protection. They are unique in this regard and the only reason it happened was due to the lobbying power of the NRA. Just like the Federal ban on funding research on gun violence.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 06/22/2016 at 12:17

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I can write with my left hand if that means anything.

Tripper > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/22/2016 at 12:19

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lol this is the best one of these I have seen in a while

Future next gen S2000 owner > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 12:19

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Sorry boss, any and all gov’t business is to be conducted on gov’t servers and computers. Your own response even admits to skirting around federal regulations, which is a huge fucking no-no.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 12:19

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you mean like in Europe?

spanfucker retire bitch > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 06/22/2016 at 12:20

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Gonna need some context, son.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 12:22

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Broad liability for a gun manufacturer for a crime committed with their weapon is the very definition of a frivolous suit. Liability for any breach of Federal law in the distribution of said weapon is of course not covered, and that is the only relevant issue. Also, the CDC wishing to conduct “research” on gun violence is utterly farcical, as it would be if they were wishing to “research” kidnappings. Claiming that this is a broad ban on criminal research which would actually apply is wrong, wrong, wrong.

spanfucker retire bitch > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 12:27

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And that’s up to the courts - unless you have one of the largest lobbying groups in the nation looking for you.

And how in the hell is it farcical? We are the only industrialized nation in the world to have the shooting epidemic we do. You can’t even begin to solve a problem without properly researching it, and the largest provider of research funding in the entire country is forbidden from funding anything that could give us some fucking answers.

The only thing that’s farcical is banning it in the first place. There’s literally no legitimate reason to do so other than worrying about the answers to the research might be. There’s a good reason why the AMA just announced that mass shootings in this country have risen to the level of epidemic.

Future next gen S2000 owner > For Sweden 06/22/2016 at 12:39

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If I was managing my network, it would work better than my IT department and I think my computer is filled with unicorns and wizards.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 06/22/2016 at 12:45

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I just thought they were funny so i share them

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 12:45

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The manufacture of a weapon and sale to a distributor has exactly as much bearing on illegal final use as the manufacture and sale of a car to a dealer has on illegal parking or speeding. The measure was passed because lawsuits were being repeatedly brought (see “lawfare”, and “the process is the punishment”) against manufacturers for having the audacity to have made a weapon in the first place - you would perhaps find a similar measure reasonable if people were trying to hold Toyota accountable for the millions in unpaid tickets that diplomats incur in NY. The point is that the courts were being put to a nakedly political and not reasonable use. SLAPP measures inn many places exist for many categories of suit without any kind of required “sacrifice” on the part of the target, just not Federally.

“Gun crime” is not a disease. Full stop. Nor is “knife crime”, or any other kind of categorized crime. You want research, commission the fucking FBI - I don’t think it’s out of bounds to conjecture that the CDC as a politicized agency on this issue wants to draw down funding for sitting on their asses and releasing a report that “Uh, guns give people a feeling of power and that makes them sick and want to go kill people and stuff”. You’re damn right I suspect the “research”, because the only avenue of approach is loosely constrained psych research with a political pruning process. You know, like those first measures back in the day that seemed to suggest video games made people kill?

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > TheHondaBro 06/22/2016 at 12:46

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gotta do something at work haha

spanfucker retire bitch > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 12:49

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You want research, commission the fucking FBI

EXCEPT YOU FUCKING CAN’T. Nor can universities get federal funding to perform research. No one in the federal government and no agency or university or institution that relies on federal funding can perform research either. There is no excuse for that and I question the intelligence of anyone who says there should be a federal funding ban on it. There is nothing legitimate in it other than a bunch of gun companies worried about the outcome.

That is not a valid reason.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 12:56

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I’m not a 100% familiar with the law, but there is wide legal precedent in most of Europe that suing the maker of a missued product is idiocy and all responsibility lies on the end user. This means the only legal requirements a vehicle must adhere to are emissions, lighting and noise based. Buy a cheap Chinese car without an airbag that scores zero-stars in the crash tests? Fine. Die in an accident while driving that car? Tough shit, you knew what you were buying. this may sound “harsh” to safety-culture-indoctrinated Americans, but what it ALSO means is you can legally buy THIS

and register and drive it on public roads.

This too.

And even this.

A MADHOUSE!!

Party-vi > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 12:57

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Who mentioned classifying information up or down? I’m stating that people are hanging their hats on the fact that numerous emails received and send by Clinton have been reviewed and retroactively classified, and transmission of retroactively classified material is not illegal. John Kirby stated that Clinton emails recently designated as Top Secret were not marked classified at the time they were sent, and at the moment there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Clearly the private email server was being used to circumvent federal records laws, but at the moment it seems the biggest issue was record preservation after she left office and requesting use of a private email server in the first place, which was never done.

spanfucker retire bitch > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 06/22/2016 at 13:00

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You can register that Caterham in the U.S. - you just have to go through a different loophole to do so. But it’s entirely road legal.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 13:05

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I am unaware of any direct ban other than the CDC one, which was widely described as a total ban but wasn’t. Regardless, researching one specific created Venn category of crime and disregarding things which don’t connect is the very basis of poor research. “Gun crime” is also gang violence (mother. effing. Chicago), weapons trafficking, civil unrest, armed robbery, domestic violence... all categories which also include other weapons and are much better studied within their own circumstances. Commissioning a “what’s magic about guns” study asks for a study whose conclusions are written in its abstract. I also don’t get why you believe this would mean no state can fund research and no private research can take place, and that no state or semi-private entities are capable of locating funding for lefty pet causes other than FedGov - a ludicrous assumption if I’ve ever heard one.

Again: crime research and crime-psychology-research-as-disease are two separate things. I’ll let you guess which one I think is more readily tainted.

Also, again here you come with the “a bunch of gun companies”. Pet phrase, I know, but the bulk of the NRA’s support comes from ordinary people. You’re allowed to think they’re wrong, but OOH SPOOKY CORPORASHUNS WITH POWAR simply is not a logical appeal.

While we’re discussing supercategories, why aren’t we funding a “What The Hell Is Wrong With Our Cops” study? Might be instructive on what a mess Chicago is.

Anyway, I’d love to play Beg 20 Questions with you all day (that’s a lie), but I’m afraid our positions are irreconcilable. Just be aware that your positions are argued - not self-evident.

Party-vi > Future next gen S2000 owner 06/22/2016 at 13:05

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Incorrect. Private email servers can be used if approved for use, and as long as there is a vehicle for record preservation. The problem is she exclusively used her private email server for all communication without prior approval to use the server in the first place, and there was no vehicle in place for record preservation, which Gawker found out about in 2013 when asking for the Blumenthal emails.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 13:08

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Yes. It. Is. There is no such thing as retroactive classification. There is such a thing as categorizing material which is by its nature classified. Marked classified is a dodge - not all classified material is marked as such when in classified channels, and some content had existing classification headers stripped before sending. If she wanted that information to be unclassified she should have unclassified it.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/22/2016 at 13:09

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Sorry, but this is patently untrue and it really annoys me as a Christian when people say this. Jesus never expresses hate for anyone in the New Testament, much less advocates for violence against a particular group. He taught his followers to love everyone, even their enemies. Therefore, the WBC and the KKK are completely un-Christian. Muhammad, in the Koran and the Hadith, is recorded doing the same things that ISIS does (see Sharia law), and Islam teaches Muslims to follow Muhammad’s example. Now, that’s not to say that all Muslims abide by this teaching—far from it. There are plenty of cultural Muslims that are totally peaceful. But you can’t compare radical Christianity (Jesus) to radical Islam (Muhammad); they’re polar opposites. Also, yes, there are tons of people who claim to be Christians but don’t act like it. Claiming to be Christian does not make you one.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 13:12

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You have to buy it as a kit and assemble it “yourself” (you can, of course pay someone else to assemble it for you). The point is you *must* use a loophole to do so. In most of Europe you can walk into/phone up a Caterham dealer and be sold a ready-to-drive vehicle assembled entirely by the manufacturer that adheres to virtually *NONE* of the safety requirements the Culture-of-no-self-responsibility-of-America forces automakers to adhere to in order to protect our litigation-happy idiots from themselves.

It’s this *EXACT* same culture that lets rapists claim they are a product of the “system” or that their victim was “asking for it” and that tries to place the blame for the actions of an *INDIVIDUAL* on the manufacturer of a product they used to commit a crime.

Party-vi > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 13:16

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So my government contact wants to send me information to my work email, but can’t because it’s labeled “confidential”. He or she removes the classification heading and forwards me the information. It’s my fault now and I should be arrested?

Also, in the State Departments own report, they wrote that upon review, multiple non-classified emails were given classifications from confidential to Top Secret. What else would you call applying a classification to a previously unclassified piece of information?

spanfucker retire bitch > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 13:25

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Also, again here you come with the “a bunch of gun companies”. Pet phrase, I know, but the bulk of the NRA’s support comes from ordinary people.

No, they like to claim they do, but they don’t. Give the mast majority of both citizens and gun owners who are in favor of “common sense” gun regulations while the NRA continues to be against them, it’s quite clear they’re a lobbyist arm for the gun manufacturers while ignoring their own consumer base.

While we’re discussing supercategories, why aren’t we funding a “What The Hell Is Wrong With Our Cops” study?

Indeed, why aren’t we?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 13:25

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It’s your fault if you directed it. If not, other heads than yours should roll. Upon review, emails which were supposed to be *secret* in the first place were given specific classifications - while I am aware that it is possible to be a head-in-ass government bureaucrat and class something which is public information as presumptively secret, that’s not what was happening here. She was discussing national intel matters in open channels with Sid, for fuck’s sake. Am I to understand that external discussion of a classified matter, itself not pre-emptively classified in a category, is public information and not subject to its handler letting it slip until somebody classifies it on review? That’s not how the relevant acts are written - details discussion of classified material is classified, regardless whether somebody handled it correctly and applied the correct headers. At what point the classification was per force applied is immaterial. Anything before that point is loose shit and subject to the rules.

They tried to crucify Scooter Libby on an atom of this much.

Party-vi > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 13:41

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But how can you be held accountable for discussing or transmitting material if it never received a classification in the first place? That makes zero sense. If the material was not handled correctly and never received the correct classification, then it is not the fault of personnel viewing and disseminating the material. Also, executive order 13526 lays out guidelines for changing the classification of a document or even reclassifying the document so it is possible to classify up and down given certain requirements are met.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 13:46

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If it never received a classification, but by dint of topic and one’s own personal office ought to have, I think you absolutely can be held accountable. Call me crazy, but I don’t think Rules Are For Little People, and they certainly seem to have been during the Clinton State Department. I’m not comfortable with the rules as practiced for secret material being functionally identical to those of Calvinball. If your point is that the Department was enough of a clownshow that Hillary shouldn’t be held accountable for failing to raise a ruckus over secret material misuse, we’ll agree to disagree.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 13:55

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Your statement that the U.S. is the only nation in the world to have a shooting epidemic is absolutely and provably false. The per capita rate of mass shootings in the U.S. is comparable to other developed countries.

Image credit: OECD data. Archived at: http://archive.is/f4gbv

Party-vi > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 13:55

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As it has been explained to me my people who should not be explaining things to me, she should not be held accountable for the material transmitted without classification. I believe she should be held accountable for bypassing the federal records act and establishing a private email server with not oversight or approval. But I cannot imagine a world where the former Secretary of State and First Lady is indicted for a crime such as this. Surely someone else will be put up to take the blame for this, or Clinton will receive a relatively light smack on the wrist.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 14:01

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I’m given to understand a difference in severity, but severity of anything at a high level doesn’t have the effect it should. The air gap violations alone should have doomed an intern or two. Ah well, never did expect anything to come of it. “Guilty as sin, free as a bird”, as Bill Ayers would say.

Party-vi > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 14:03

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That’s what happens when the people that enforce the rules need the people they enforce the rules against to remain out of jail.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE 06/22/2016 at 14:17

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Islam is a peaceful religion. If you’re going to be as educated as you seem you should know that there are (I believe) 5 or 6 different sets of Sharia Laws based off the sect of Islam. Sharia Law can apply to everything from whether you should eat Pork to the punishment for stealing. The teachings from back when Muhammad the Prophet walked the earth aren’t all in place today or held up in Sharia Courts. Everyone get’s obsessed with the phrase “Sharia Law”. The people that are still chopping off hands and doing public executions are not representing the peaceful religion of Islam.

Here’s an article from the BBC (I pick them because they tend to be pretty unbiased) about Sharia Law:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7…

And just so you know, I’m a Catholic. The Catholic church did some terrible things back in the day in the name of God and Jesus. Doesn’t mean we do them today.

I stand by the statement I originally said because the point is there are so few ISIS members (despite all their recruiting) that using the crazy bastards at the WBC as an example in comparison to Christianity actually balances out pretty well. I think you just missed the point that I’m saying the WBC does not represent Christianity, just the same as ISIS not representing all of Islam.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Tripper 06/22/2016 at 14:19

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Hahaha, it always cuts off funny (because kinja) but it says at the end on screen “DIS GONNA B GOOD”

spanfucker retire bitch > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 06/22/2016 at 14:21

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You can use the per capita argument all you want, but your own image shows how much worse it is in the U.S. vs everywhere else with 227 deaths and 38 mass shootings in just 4 years.

Extrapolate that graph out even father, and by using the FBI’s defintion of mass shootings; since 1966 we’ve had 31% of all mass shootings in the world occur in the U.S.

We do not represent anywhere close to 31% of the world’s population.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 14:31

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Using per capita numbers is how you compare events in countries with significantly different populations. If you have a country with 300,000,000 people you cannot compare the number of events that happen in a country that has 5,000,000 people without using per capita numbers.

spanfucker retire bitch > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 06/22/2016 at 14:35

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I know what per capita means and why it’s used. I’m also saying in this instance it still doesn’t matter and we’re the still the highest as we don’t represent that much of the world’s population to make up for how many of the world’s public mass shooting events have taken place in our country.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/22/2016 at 14:41

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Guess I missed your point then. My bad. That's a fair statement though I guess.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE 06/22/2016 at 14:43

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I had a feeling you did, no hard feelings and no worries.

These are very touchy topics these days.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > spanfucker retire bitch 06/22/2016 at 14:49

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The data clearly shows that the U.S. does NOT have the highest rate of mass shooting deaths per capita. In fact the U.S. is sixth behind such violent nations as Switzerland, Finland and Norway.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/22/2016 at 14:52

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Yeah man for sure.

Tripper > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/22/2016 at 15:03

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lol the chair flick says it all

Future next gen S2000 owner > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 15:03

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I will accept you are right if you can show me the form requesting use and approval of a personal server for gov’t use.

Party-vi > Future next gen S2000 owner 06/22/2016 at 15:35

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You think there’s an SF for requesting use of a private email server? The State Department said she never requested permission to use a private email server for her communications. There is no form.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 15:44

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She never requested permission because she would be denied. It goes back to the fact that you aren’t allowed to conduct gov’t business on a private server. There isn’t anyway to get around that fact. It isn’t allowed. There isn’t one rule or regulation that permits it. There are many that specifically say to only use gov’t provided equipment/computers.

I get that others have done it and gotten away with it, that doesn’t make it okay.

Party-vi > Future next gen S2000 owner 06/22/2016 at 15:55

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I’m not saying it’s okay, I’m saying that it is not illegal to conduct government business on a private server - it is illegal to conduct all of your government business on a private email server and not provide the records like she did. Others got away with it because they weren’t up for election and Hillary sent thousands of emails using her private server, whereas say Powell sent a handful. The Federal Records Act requires an individual to provide documentation of all government records, and if Clinton had done that she wouldn’t have been in such a big shit pile of a mess, but she didn’t. How do you think business is conducted between the government and contractors? I don’t have a government email address but I have discussed and performed work with each branch of the government over my email. What you are saying makes no sense to me, unless I’m interpreting it incorrectly.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 16:12

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You aren’t a gov’t employee. You follow different rules. As a gov’t employee I am prohibited from conducting gov’t business on anything other than gov’t computers/servers. I can’t email a coworker using a personal email address to their personal email address and do anything official. It isn’t allowed. I can’t even use a personal thumb drive to back-up the work I do on my gov’t computer.

spanfucker retire bitch > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 06/22/2016 at 16:17

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Can you not read?

New analysis has shown that although the U.S. only makes up 5 percent of the global population, the country has seen 31 percent of global public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012. The research, which is set to be presented at the 110th Annual Meeting of the American Sociological Association (ASA), was based on data from the New York City Police Department’s 2012 active shooter report, the FBI’s 2014 active shooter report, and multiple international sources.

The report claims to be the first of its kind to quantify all reported mass public shootings which have resulted in the deaths of at least four people. However, gang related crime, drive-by shootings, hostage situations and robberies have not been taken into consideration.

http://www.ibtimes.com/gun-violence-t…

Party-vi > Future next gen S2000 owner 06/22/2016 at 16:43

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Well yes that makes sense. Clinton’s logic was that if she’s conducting business to someone with a US gov email address then the record is being collected, but I doubt the State Department or the FBI is going to find that acceptable.

wiffleballtony > Party-vi 06/22/2016 at 21:35

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As a derivative classifier and an ISSM, that’s absolute BS. The determination of the level of classification should occur at its inception. The original classifier should have consulted their SCG. If the time line of events was actually as you stated then someone screwed up. All of the hardware involved in the spill should have been confiscated and destroyed.

wiffleballtony > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 06/22/2016 at 21:37

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From what I remember it was SAP, which is more controlled than Top.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > spanfucker retire bitch 06/23/2016 at 09:25

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We are the only industrialized nation in the world to have the shooting epidemic we do.

This statement shows a profound ignorance of world events. It is understandable given that you live in the U.S. but that does not make it excusable. I have shown you evidence that this statement is false yet you refuse to acknowledge that evidence. If you actually look at the data I linked it is obvious that you are much more likely to be involved in and die during a mass shooting in Norway, Finland, Slovakia, Israel and Switzerland.

I know what per capita means and why it’s used. I’m also saying in this instance it still doesn’t matter and we’re the still the highest...

Data doesn’t work this way. You can’t ignore data that doesn’t agree with your preconceived notions. This statement demonstrates an inability to interpret simple statistical data.

New analysis has shown that although the U.S. only makes up 5 percent of the global population, the country has seen 31 percent of global public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012.

That is certainly a shocking statistic, but it does not give us any useful information. That does not give us the ability to determine the likelihood of being a victim of a mass shooting in the U.S. nor allow us to compare the risk relative to other countries. It is good for generating hysteria, but it is not useful for anything else.